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jaysmetalart wrote:Do you believe we humans were created by Ape's?, or do you believe we were created by God?...I asked my daughter this question, I already knew she believes in creation, because my wife and I taught her bible doctrine. but she told me something that I thought was interesting. She said it takes more faith to believe in the whole evolution concept, then to believe in God.....What do you think?....Jay
squarepusher wrote:Is the God you believe in too weak to be able to design a method of evolution?
Knut wrote:"She said it takes more faith to believe in the whole evolution concept, then to believe in God.....What do you think?....Jay"
Fascinating that in 2012... in the US... that there are people who still believe this.
"They take some very interesting animals and their designs, functions, etc. and show how they couldn't have evolved." soliver
"Squarepusher, the God that I believe in has given me a Book. In this Book, He said that He created the cosmos in six days. I believe it. Only He has no weaknesses." pinkrose
I like using logic, I won't throw verse at anyone...But I must say you acknowledge Jesus Christ, and you have not a choice in the matter. In fact everyone on this planet, except for a choice few acknowledge this...What happened in the history of man that today we keep a calender, What year was you born?... What year is it now? 2012..ad....Anno Domini....it is all based on this time of man and our Lord...Every time you write down the date, fill out a form, do your taxes, buy any product and get a receipt, pay your bills....there is a date based on the time of our Lord.....Jay
Fascinating. Not sure... but perhaps reading the history of who wrote the various books of the Bible, the whys and wherefores would clear some of that up...
No disrespect intended to anyone... and though I don't believe in any God or gods nor any supernatural entities or experiences... none of this goes to show that there isn't some deity somewhere doing something. Though I doubt it.... and a deity who cares about what human beings do, not a chance IMHO. This from a former Christian who taught at a Christian college. Word of advice... if you want to continue believing in 'God'... stay away from libraries and research into biblical history, comparative history, and the history of world religions...
That said... when people use their beliefs to the betterment of other people and to do 'good works'...(Matt: 25:36 etc.) I'll be right there with them. When they use their beliefs to increase hatred, fear, intolerance and to abuse the civil rights of other people... I'll expose them at every turn...
â€śIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?â€ť Epicurus
25752b wrote:From what I can see historically there is alot of speculation as to exactly when Jesus was born. I do not think there is any speculation that his life has had the greatest impact on humanity and his lessons are perfect...when taken as intended. Many if not all religions have twisted the word to be used as they interpret it, and just look at the fights, the violence, and the injustice that humans engage in in the defense of their religions.
25752b wrote:It's always such a hot topic, like politics. If you are IMO attached to your ideas it is very hard to be open-minded. I have always loved a good debate, because I don't have to be right. When you have to be RIGHT, and stoke your ego, the field of vision narrows.
BenFTW wrote:25752b wrote:It's always such a hot topic, like politics. If you are IMO attached to your ideas it is very hard to be open-minded. I have always loved a good debate, because I don't have to be right. When you have to be RIGHT, and stoke your ego, the field of vision narrows.
I read a quote recently that said, "Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening a mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid."
If you don't have to be right, why debate? If you do not believe in what you are sharing why then should I even listen to you? You are not arguing truth you are arguing opinion. I am not interested in your opinion but in the truth. If you dont hold that your view is the truth and you dont have to be right then there is no foundation for you to hold to, let alone me listen to.
An opinion is subjective, I am looking for the truth, by definition is absolute. It's not that I have to be right, it is by definition that I am right. A truth and a lie, which is right? Well of course the truth is. You may argue neither is right, inwhich case I can say that your world view has no solid foundation. If you believe one thing to be true and another believes something else to be true, then you cant argue with him because in your world view truth is subjective.
If truth is subjective you have no reason to debate because according to such a view everyone is right. At that starting point, you have lost the right to debate.
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