Global warming lies - Al Gore sued by over 30,000 Scientists

[Marey]

I'd really like to get some opinions on these, thanks!

John Coleman slams global warming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk8SSqc7ekM&feature=related

Lies of global warming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zeGY8zbzc8&feature=related

Al Gore sued by over 30,000 Scientists for fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfHW7KR33IQ&feature=related

[TominTN]

My opinion is that this is like the debates over food and pharmaceuticals. There may be folks on both sides of the issue more interested in stirring the pot and muddying the waters than in figuring out what needs to be done.

I work at Oak Ridge National Laboratory where computer simulations are used to study possible climate projections for the future. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) mentioned in the third video used computers at ORNL to generate a lot of the data for which they won the Nobel prize jointly with Al Gore in 2007. As I understand it, the Nobel prize is only awarded to scientists who have done work the scientific community as a whole recognizes as valuable.

Who are the 30,000 scientists John Coleman claims are on his side? I didn't hear anywhere in the video a website where I could go see a list of them (but I also didn't listen to the whole thing). As long as I don't have to provide evidence, I could claim that 60,000 doctors agree with me about the best way to eat.

Here is a thread on a forum for weather students and experts. It seems that most of that group believes that global warming is "mostly a naturally occuring anomaly with some enhancements by humans."

I appreciate the point of one of the posters on stormtrack.org who pointed out that the issue really doesn't have to be whether humans are contributing to global warming or not, but what policy and personal decisions and lifestyle adjustments need to be made to give ourselves and our children the best hope of survival for the future. Whether global warming claims are true or not, air pollution and environmental destruction hurts us. What can we do about it?

Everyone will have to decide what to think for themselves.

The part of the video I watched does not seem credible to me. So that's my opinion.
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[Burgess]

For an idea to work when applied to reality, the idea must be objective. That means the idea must be drawn logically from observable facts of reality.

I am a layman -- in every scientific subject. That does not mean I can't tentatively form conclusions about scientific subjects as political activists claim to use them. Using dialectics -- a set of skills in questioning -- anyone can gather information about any specialist's claims. For example, if, under questioning, a specialist contradicts himself or makes statements that his listeners can see aren't true, then the listeners are right to reject the specialist's claims.

Take an example, the notion of ICACC, Imminent Catastrophically Anthropogenic Climate Change. This, as I have heard it in face-to-face conversations, is the belief that we are all going to be incinerated or we are going to drown or starve in less than one generation and its all the fault of wicked humans who act like humans.

I have never heard any credible argument in favor of it. But, then again, I am a layman.

What I can evaluate are political proposals. Those are open to examination and evaluation by every sane adult. When I hear advocates of ICACC almost without exception advocate massive governmental oppression and exploitation as the "solution" to the alleged problem of "climate change" (formerly known as "global warming"), then I object and reject.

P. S. -- I avoid videos. I want to see claims and proof made in writing. If someone is claiming that thousands of scientists are suing Mr. Gore, then let's see the proof.
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[Eileen]

Lord Christopher Monckton, former Science Advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, was invited to speak at the Capital on April 25, with Al Gore. He arrived in the States on April 23, and was told on arrival that he will not be permitted to speak at the Capital. Reason: They did not want Lord Christopher to embarrass Al Gore. Talk Show Host Michael Savage heard of this and invited Lord Christopher Monckton to be a guest on his show; which he excepted. The Audio Interview is posted on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA9U7XIcgJM&feature=related.com
YouTube Interview,(Total 4), Continues; See Rt. Side Bar
Lord Christopher mentioned 2 web sites:
http://www.scienceandpublicpolicy.org
http://www.heartland.org
Lord Christopher Moncton also has many videos on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W-BePJOLbw
It seems that Scientists are threatened with their jobs if they don't go along with Global Warming. Some Retired Scientists are vocal, and have given their opinion and scientific facts that differ from what we are being led to believe. If I remember correctly the founder of Greenpeace left the organization because it changed from its original purpose; and now they do not have Real Scientists running it.
I think we have to take care of the environment with real solutions that work.
I don't like the mercury filled light bulbs, (you need a Hazmat Team to come in if you should break the light bulb).
Hybrid cars: where do you put the spent batteries? Landfills
The Insurance Agencies do not like the small cars, because they are not safe, and they don't want to payout the insurance money.
Alcohol Can Be A Gas, David Blume,( see video on youtube), or http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.com is a good solution because it costs about 200 dollars to convert your car.
But I guess if you invest your money in hybrids, you don't want someone to come along with a new way to fuel cars, that is cheaper, and more cost effective.
I think all of this is about control and investments.
If there is such an energy crisis; why did they push the flat screen television and HD. Now we have more old TV sets in the landfills.
No Scientific Debate? Is this the beginning of the Dark Ages? Well maybe the Earth is really flat.
"Question Everything. Learn Something. Answer Nothing." Euripides

[Marey]

Excellent post, Eileen! And the videos are so interesting and informative - with facts!! I really think everyone should watch these and beware of all media hype. Thanks!

[Eileen]

Thank You Marey For Your Kind Words, and for reposting "The Alcohol Can Be A Gas," info.

[Eileen]

http://cei.org/news-release/2009/06/25/cei-releases-global-warming-study-censored-epa

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer


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[Purdy]

I would advise a fairly unbiased source of discussion about many elements of science.

It is written by a University of California professor who teaches the most popular science course at that prestigious university...

Physics for Future Presidents: The Science Behind the Headlines

http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Future-Presidents-Science-Headlines/dp/0393066274/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246327450&sr=8-1

Everyone would do well to stop drinking down everything Al Gore and his buddies put out, as well as the above statement by 30,000 scientists.

I'll tell you this. If this professor was a biased sham, he would be outed at a place like UC Berkeley. Yet his course is the most popular science course year after year.
That at a university that is the embodiment of radical environmentalism.

Find it a the library or buy it. It will give you a dose of reality that you won't hear in the press. Real science.

From one Amazon review..
"With subjects ranging from nukes to space exploration to alternate energy sources Dr. Mullar separates the wheat from the chaff by addressing things that people believe that just ain't so."

[Symphonyofdreams]

Funny how AL Gore and the other so called Greenies stand to profit the most. Gobal carbon taxes that are going rob the 3rd world and everyone but the elite in first world

[Eileen]

Maybe The Health Care Debate Is A Distraction, a Smokescreen, from the Biggest Problem Facing The United States. Loss of Freedom As We Know It.

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/thale/lord-monckton-on-the-copenhagen-treaty


PS. The #1 Producer Of Methane Gas Is Termites. How are you going to control that?

[Eileen]

Frank Gaffney Interviews Lord Christopher Monckton
CLICK: "Radio America Live Stream," (left).
CLICK: "Secure Freedom Radio," (right).
http://www.radioamerica.org/streaming.htm
Physicist Howard Hayden On Global Warming
http://blog.mises.org/archives/010939.asp

[Clary]

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[Eileen]