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mike at the river wrote:I've been following McDougall diet for 6 mo or more. Did inititially lower total choleserol to 171 but now, 4 mo later, its up to 211, trig 140, HDL 85, LDL 104. Yes, I've been very strict, low-fat vegan whole foods, no meat, dairy, salad oil, etc. I've read McDougall, Dr Campell, Dr Barnard, Dr Esselstyn. Now seeing a lot of criticism on-line also. Is there "cherry picking" of data, or do these diets really work? Why is my cholesterol going the wrong direction? thanks....Mike
Lani Muelrath wrote:mike at the river wrote:I've been following McDougall diet for 6 mo or more. Did inititially lower total choleserol to 171 but now, 4 mo later, its up to 211, trig 140, HDL 85, LDL 104. Yes, I've been very strict, low-fat vegan whole foods, no meat, dairy, salad oil, etc. I've read McDougall, Dr Campell, Dr Barnard, Dr Esselstyn. Now seeing a lot of criticism on-line also. Is there "cherry picking" of data, or do these diets really work? Why is my cholesterol going the wrong direction? thanks....Mike
It's important to remember also that the numbers are an indicator yet not necessarily the holy grail. Dr. McDougall speaks to this at the Advanced Study Weekends while going over the results of the lipid profiles that one can elect to have analyzed during the weekend.
In September at the ASW, for example, he shared about patients he has who have high cholesterol levels yet their carotid arteries are clear as viewed in sonogram, which gives you a picture of what's really going on inside, and they are eating correctly. Genetics are going to have some play here and you can't just let the numbers be your definitive guideline. It can be an indicator, and of course we all want those numbers down, yet it doesn't tell the whole story.
Lani
israelIma wrote:I was about to start a new topic about my current diet disappointment, but I saw your post and I'll just add to it.
I have been following this plan for two months. My very painful arthritis has abated in my knee. I have been feeling great and looking forward to a follow-up blood test. SO, I just got the results. My total cholesterol remained essentially the same (283 in November and 263 today), and my triglycerides went up significantly (still within normal range) and my HDL (good cholesterol) went down (again still in normal range). I was looking forward to seeing the total cholesterol fall a lot as it did when I followed this diet many years ago.
I have been absolutely strict on fats, meat, and dairy. I have been non-compliant on alcohol and coffee. Is it possible that this is what is keeping the cholesterol high? I know that cholesterol is not the whole story, but I can't figure out why with the diet I am eating that I would not see more results (even with the alcohol and coffee (neither in excess)).
I was SO looking forward to showing my doctor (who wants to put me on statins) that I could lower the cholesterol through diet.
didi wrote:Here is something I found. There is lots of info on the net about coffee and cholesterol.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6242467/ns/ ... olesterol/
Despite this information about the type of coffee you drink, I believe I read somewhere that filtered coffee can also be a problem.
Didi
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