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Tinnitus

Postby Quiver0f10 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:53 am

Anyone ever deal with this? All of a sudden yesterday I noticed a ringing in one of my ears and it's driving me nuts!

I have had off and on sharp, deep pain in this ear for a few months but I had thought it was either fliud or a cold in my ears. The pain would only last a few seconds to 30 seconds at the most and come every few weeks so I didn't think it was an infection.

Now today I have ringing in my right ear, some dull pain and my left ear feels clogged, but I can hear out of both ears fine.

One thing I remebered today is that when I would use my cell phone for the last few months it would hurt my right ear. Like the phone was too loud. Now I am worried I have ear damage, but my left ear is weird too so I don't know.

I don't listen to loud music or any loud noise. I did have surgery last week( not on my ear) and they gave me a large dose on IV antobiotics during it, which I read today that some antobiotics cause cause Tinnitus.

So now I am at a loss. I made an appontment with an ear nose throat Dr for Thursday but in the meantime I am trying to not lose my mind. I have some amoxicillian here, which is what they would use for an ear infection. I think I am going to try that and see if it helps, while waiting for my Dr apoint on Thursday.

Any else suffer from this? Any help or tips? What @ Ginkgo biloba? I am freaking at the thought of this never going away!
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Postby Letha » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:19 am

Yea, I’ve got it. Comes and goes. It can be quite maddening. I’ve not found an effective treatment. I’ve come to accept it more over the years. Sometimes it’s high and whining, sometimes low and rumbling. Sometimes I can’t differentiate it from actual sounds and I often ask people if they hear this or that sound too. When it gets really really bad (once or twice a year) I take a valium and go to sleep for a while. Chances are yours will go away in a day or two and hopefully not return any time soon. In the meantime, just try to relax about it. :)
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Postby Quiver0f10 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:59 am

Thanks for sharing. I have been reseaching and I can't believe how common this actually is. I pray this does go away in a day or two as I will go insane if it stays!
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Cause of ringing in ears?

Postby Burgess » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:22 pm

In the one chance in a thousand that this might help, I will mention that I did occasionally have ringing in my ears. That is gone now.

A change of diet got rid of a host of inflammation problems for me. That apparently isn't your situation.

I also have been doing posture exercises. I have found--as the author, Pete Egoscue, Pain Free, predicted--that some of my problems (occasional dizziness, disorientation, head-pain, and ringing) went away when I did posture exercises and improved my posture control (especially keeping my head up and on the top of an s-curve spine).

Was it better posture that stopped the inner ear and other problems? I don't know. Maybe it was diet or maybe it was both.

I do know that better posture has just about eliminated the occasional knee and other pains I used to experience (and still do if I get sloppy in my sleeping, sitting, and walking posture).

I mention this only in the off-chance that it might help.
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Postby KristaO » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:18 pm

Burgess ~ Nice to see you again! Very interesting post. thx!

Hi Jean,

It's too bad that you have this, but it sounds to me like it may be temporary since it happened after your surgery. Also, try to make shorter calls on your cell phone, if it's affecting your ear. Especially if the phone starts to get warm.

I've had tinnitus for years - since I was a teenager. One day I suddenly got dizzy, my ear was plugged up and the doctors determined that I had nerve damage & hearing loss in one ear because of an infection. So, I could have written Letha's post, except mine doesn't really come & go - it just changes tones & sounds and the volume changes depending on the sounds in the environment. Actually (and this is going to sound strange) but I like going to the dentist now because the anesthetic (lidocaine) really affects the tinnitus, making it much softer in volume. It's the only thing so far that has had such a dramatic effect. So I'm able to enjoy peace for a few hours, LOL!

The one thing you want to avoid is total silence, as that makes tinnitus worse. Also, you may want to sleep with a small fan in the room for a gentle background sound. I can't sleep in total silence, and I take a small fan with me whenever I travel. I tried many "environmental" sound machines, but the high pitches didn't work for me.

I hope you get some relief from this and I'm glad you're seeing a specialist. Meanwhile, here are some sites you might find helpful, and keep us posted on your progress!

~krista


Tinnitus Retraining Therapy
http://www.tinnitus.org/home/frame/THC1.htm

Here is a site with lots of info:
http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com/di ... nnitus.htm

Possible dangers of cell phone use - just to be safe, you may want to use a headset. I know many people don't believe this, but it's better to be careful, just in case!
http://www.next-up.org/pdf/Pratical_Hea ... acholi.pdf

Very interesting video:
http://videos.next-up.org/SevenNews/Hea ... 52008.html
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anti-inflammatories

Postby Fern » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:19 pm

I also have tinnitus. I've had it for many, many years. It started when I took a lot of aspirin to try to get rid of cramps. It never went away. Now, when I take certain medications it gets louder, higher pitched and stays that way for ever more. So it has actually gotten worse over the years.

My triggers are all anti-inflammatories, aspirin, sulpha-based antibiotics, and one other antibiotic.

FWIW, doctors don't believe this. They tell me that it is a common side effect of these medications but it always goes away. If the ringing in my ears isn't making me crazy, the idiot doctors are. They insist that I take what they prescribe and I'll be fine. I survived rotator cuff surgery, months of PT, and other serious soft tissue injuries without taking anti-inflammatories.

Good luck, I hope you figure out what's causing it.
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Postby Quiver0f10 » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:41 pm

I am kind of hoping it IS from the surgery but the more I think of it the more I fear I have some kind of infection ( cause I had ear pain along with sinsus crud) and that I have waited too long. My ear hurts right now, not terrible, but dull pain and I am trying to decide if I should go get it looked at tonight or wait till Thursday? I am trying to not dwell on the ringing but it's hard!
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Purdy » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:48 pm

Quiver0f10 wrote:
Now today I have ringing in my right ear, some dull pain and my left ear feels clogged, but I can hear out of both ears fine.

One thing I remembered today is that when I would use my cell phone for the last few months it would hurt my right ear. Like the phone was too loud. Now I am worried I have ear damage, but my left ear is weird too so I don't know.

I don't listen to loud music or any loud noise. I did have surgery last week( not on my ear) and they gave me a large dose on IV antibiotics during it, which I read today that some antibiotics cause cause Tinnitus.

So now I am at a loss. I made an appointment with an ear nose throat Dr for Thursday but in the meantime I am trying to not lose my mind. I have some amoxicillian here, which is what they would use for an ear infection. I think I am going to try that and see if it helps, while waiting for my Dr apoint on Thursday.
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STOP........STOP everything RIGHT NOW...... Sadly I know more about this subject than I would like.

#1.....Do NOT.....Do NOT take that antibiotic you have now...(amoxicillian) It is highly unlikely you have a ear infection..
Do NOT take that antibiotic.
Do NOT take any aspirin, or NSAID's...Ibuprofen etc...
There is a very good chance what you are now experiencing is a ototoxic drug response from the large IV dose you were given for surgery.
This can be very serious.......or it could pass with time.
What you are likely experiencing is damage, to your inner ears. This can affect the hearing functions as well as your balance functions in some cases. There is nothing you can do right now to help it. What you must NOT do is anything that could cause further harm.

The fullness (clogged feeling) you are probably experiencing in your left ear is called hydrops (imbalance in the inner ear fluids). Makes the ear feel like it does when you descending down a mountain in a car and you try to make it "pop" to unclog the ear.
In this situation you cannot unclog it as it is not due to air pressure.
Rather it has to do with other fluid problems in your semicircular canals or other inner ear areas.

When you go to the doctor you need to find out which IV antibiotic they gave you. Your doctor or surgeon will insist that they give hundreds of patients such drugs and that the drug they gave you is not the cause.
They are too often full of bull sh_t ! In regards to ototoxic reactions to drugs they are woefully uninformed and will, deny the connection.
They are often WRONG..... they are UNINFORMED...

Your symptoms are classic. Hopefully nothing more serious will occur during the next few days. You many experience some disturbances in your balance or even a spell of vertigo. Sometimes it will give you a lightheadedness, or slight dizzy feeling.....just not crisp and right.
There is a range of symptoms.
So far you have two very common ones. The Tinnitus in one ear and the "fullness" in your other ear.

One cannot say how long either of these will last, but I'd bet 9 out of 10 they are directly related to your surgery and any drugs you might have taken in the days following.

Like I said.... You need to learn the name of the drug (s). You need to learn just what dosage you received. Between the time you go back to the doctor, you should avoid any other drugs....antibiotics or any pain killers.....especially aspirin, ibuprofen etc.

When you learn the name of the drug(s) come back here and tell me what it was and what the does was. You can look it up under ototoxic and the name... I will bet you any amount of money it is listed on some web page as absolutely being ototoxic.
You got a IV antibiotic and you may have gotten a oral or IV anti-inflammatory. Both can independently be ototoxic to some degree in some people. Taken together during the same surgery can only heighten the risk. Still rare, but in certain people thats all it takes.

Most people who get milder ototoxic reactions (like tinnitus) such as from excessive aspirin can have the symptoms go away. Some do not

Amoxicillian is not normally classified as being significantly ototoxic, however, with your ears already exhibiting signs of "insult" and damage, this is not the time to risk adding to the problem.
In later months and years, you may well be able to use amoxicillian safely.
Recently I had some dental surgery and did take some amoxicillian even though I have prior inner ear damage from 30 years ago.
But I have to be EXTREMELY careful with every antibiotic I take as well as with ANY ohter drugs I take......including simple aspirin or ibuprofen.
They can and do affect me all these years later as my inner ears are very fragile and susceptible to further damage and insult.

For example during that dental surgery (extraction) the dentist wanted to give me the regular IV dose of ketorolac (Toradol) a anti-inflammatory.... He is a 30 year oral surgeon and said he had never heard of such problems. He understands little about inner ear problems and the ototoxic dangers for some drugs in those who are susceptible. The anti-inflammatory is given to reduce swelling after the extraction.
After some debate we agreed he could give me 1/3 the dose. All went well, but I was still frightened of any effect and afterward kicked myself for even agreeing to 1/3 the dose.

Now, there also is a possibility that after surgery, you began to take significant doses of pain killers or anti-inflammatories, either prescription or over the counter. Those also can induce some of the effects you are feeling.

OK.......don't want to scare you, but if you are experiencing symptoms due to a ototoxic substance, then the last thing you want to do is exacerbate it.

Everything may clear up. Find out the information I suggested, drug or drugs (all of them)....dosage.... etc along with everything you've taken since...
The 1 week delay is not uncommon and in fact I think more common than not. Kind of like if you spray a weed with weed spray it might still look green and healthy for a couple days. Later the effects are clear.

NO, the doctor didn't spray you with weed killer, but you get the idea.
Or like if you take certain drugs, they can cause your hair to fall out later rather than in the first few days.
You may not realize this but inside your inner ears, you have a whole bunch of hair like structures "cilia" that help with your vestibular functions. Look up "inner ear" and hairs.

see the little hairs in the endolymph fluids... Little hairs, like grass can be harmed by drugs (ototoxic)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bigotolith.jpg

Now, hopefully you will be spared any permanent damage, and to a certain degree often the body self corrects.

On the chance that I have identified the problem, lets not be taking any chances to further harm your inner ear systems. Let them calm down and repair to the extent they can.

OK.......

Now remember, I'm not a doctor and this is the internet where you can and will hear everything imaginable.
This just happens to be a subject I have unfortunately been far to aware of and thus my extreme cautions to limit further harm.

Remember, you can't count on the doctor to admit anything he administered caused harm. And in practice, in 95+% of his patients it probably does not.

OK..... BTW, sometimes lower sodium intake can help a bit with the fullness you feel in that one ear. Often it doesn't do that much to help.

Report back............I'm curious what they gave you by IV or to take afterward. :question:
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Postby Quiver0f10 » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:28 am

Thank you Purdy! Very informative post. I am going to call the Dr tomorrow and find out what meds I was given. I wish I had known before hand @ the possible side-effects, but it was emergency surgery and I probably would have had to have the meds anyhow.

I think it's anxiety but I can't eat and have been so naseous all day yesterday that I lost 3#s in one day. I am siting here tryng to choke down some oats.
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Postby Clary » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:28 am

You might consider researching on Dr. Christopher's Ear & Nerve Formula. (previously known as "B&B" formula). If you become interested in the tincture, vitacost.com and MyVitanet.com usually have lower prices on Dr. Christopher's products.

Ear & Nerve Formula is an herbal tincture that has been on the market for decades. I experienced severe Tinnitus many years ago when I was a young mother with three little toddlers to care for, and the ringing was so loud, and such a distraction (including some dizziness) and problem that my "mothering" abilities were interfered with. Tried many things, and even went to a Dr. for help, eventually--with no relief.

The above formula--recommended by a herbalist friend of mine, brought rapid and permanent relief for me, and my symptoms.

Another thing you might want to check is if your diet is sufficient in the B vitamins. --Even better than sufficient is "generous".

Also, Amazon and half.com offer inexpensive copies of the 1972 book, Body, Mind, and the B Vitamins, by Ruth Adams and Frank Murray which has experienced many reprintings. The information in this book changed my health, my mental state, and the direction of my life back in 1972. I continue to recommend the book.
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sinuses

Postby AnnaS » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:07 am

If your sinuses have been clogged up lately, that can affect your ears a lot, and your sinuses draining again could be causing the nausea. If so, that might be a good sign that this is all a temporary condition.

I'd also throw out the possibility of a viral infection in the inner ear--these can cause pain, vertigo, nausea. My mom gets one of these every couple of years or so (swimming).

Burgess mentioned the posture exercises--I have found these very helpful for sinus pain, inflammation and sinus congestion. Maybe it would help your ears drain properly, too...? While you are waiting to see the doctor, it won't hurt you to try--do you know any yoga poses that you can do, very slowly? These will be similar to the Egoscue exercises. Also try standing straight up with your back and head against a wall, your heels against the wall too and your toes raised a little on a book--this will align your head much better than it usually is. Relax and hold the position for 5 minutes or so, then walk around a little. See if that relieves the pressure somewhat.
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Postby Quiver0f10 » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:33 pm

Thanks again. I will try the posture excersizes. My ears are really hurtng today so I am really beginning to think it is sinus/ear infection related. I appreciate all the tips and advice.
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TINNITUS

Postby chmouse » Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:25 pm

I've had ringing in my right ear for about five years following a nasty cold that plagued me for a couple of weeks back then. It worried me and I went to the doctor. He ordered a CT scan to rule out a tumor in my ear or elsewhere and pretty much told me not to worry about it (also suggested an ipod would provide a pleasant cover for the ringing). The sound intensifies when I'm under stress and feel my blood pressure rising and, at times like that, I also have a habit of gritting my teeth and the muscles in my shoulder and neck tighten up. I was so pleased to read Burgess' note about posture and slumping (guilty of that on a daily basis when I work on the computer at the office). I'm going to try the posture suggestions and recently my massage therapist told me to try putting the tip of my tongue behind my front teeth, because you can't grit your teeth or clamp your jaw closed when you do that...it works! Also, will look into getting a copy of the book Clary mentioned. Thanks to all of you who always have such an abundance of excellent advice to share. I also try to be glad the noise is ringing when I remember the lady who was at the doctor's office for help with her tinnitus which she said sounded like rocks bumping around in her ears...ouch!
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Tinnitus

Postby chewy22 » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:53 pm

Hi, I am currently undergoing treatment for tinnitus and ear pain. The Doctor's website is attached. He believes it is related to tmj/bad posture.

His specialty is head and facial pain. The tinnitus is significantly better since I have been seeing him, but I am not endorsing him at this time. Could be going away on its own, placebo effect, or maybe I am learning to ignore it.

For your information I have attached his website. Use at your own risk.

website.http://www.headaches.com/

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Postby Donna R » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:13 pm

Thanks, Clary. I'm going to try that for tinnitus.
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